Gear Box Fault Diagnosis |
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As a 17 year old I spent my childhood savings on my first bike, a 1960 Venom, which even then at £35 what was a bargain price. It was cheap because it had suffered the usual Velo gearbox problem of water displacing the oil in the gearbox and the subsequent almost total destruction of the gearbox. However, it came with a box of gearbox bits - unfortunately they were not all Prefix 12. So armed with the “Red Book” my very first Velo task was to build a gearbox out of a collection of parts, with the associated challenges that brings.
Based on my experience and the experience of others
I’ve collated a fault diagnosis table that hopefully may prove to be useful when
you hit a gearbox problem - the diagnosis of which is not immediately obvious.
I’m grateful to David Child for reviewing the content. If you have any more
obscure faults and remedies to add to the list please let me know.
Symptom |
Condition (if any) |
Possible Fault |
Investigation |
Remedy |
Oil loss from gearbox |
Oil leaking either from the kick-start housing /
shaft or oil level in the primary chaincase increases. |
Overfilling gearbox. |
Put bike on center stand and remove the oil level
plug to check if oil level is too high. |
Not allowing time for oil to drain to the level
mark after refilling. Put bike on center stand and do not replace the
level plug until oil stops flowing. |
Oil loss from gearbox |
Oil level in gearbox needs constantly topping up
and or the oil level in the primary chaincase increases. |
Sleeve gear bush worn. |
Strip gearbox and check wear on sleeve gear bush
and or wear on the mainshaft. |
New bush and possibly new mainshaft. There is a
modification, which involves machining the sleeve gear and bush and
fitting a lipped oil seal. |
Oil loss from gearbox |
Oil level in gearbox needs constantly topping up
and / or the oil level in the primary chaincase increases. |
Split, worn or non-centralised sleeve gear
bearing shims B31/2. There are also some sleeve gear bearings B22 with
inner races that protrude further than the outer race. The result is
that the shims do not seal correctly. |
Strip gearbox and check the condition and
position of the shims. |
Replace and correctly fit the sleeve gear bearing
shims. |
Oil loss from gearbox |
Oil level in gearbox needs constantly topping up
and / or the oil level in the primary chaincase increases. |
Drain hole blocked in the sleeve gear bearing
housing is blocked. |
Remove clutch and clutch actuating mechanism to
check that oil can drain back through the drain hole. |
Felt from the primary chaincase can be shed and
block the drain hole, clean out any debris and check oil flow using
gearbox oil in an oilcan. |
Oil loss from gearbox |
Oil level in gearbox needs constantly topping up
and / or the oil level in the primary chaincase increases. |
Incorrect grade of oil used allowing the oil to
pass through the bearing shims (Lower SAE) or it's too high a viscosity
to drain back into the gearbox via the sleeve gear bearing housing drain
hole. |
Check grade of oil being used. |
Check grade of oil and if incorrect replace with
makers recommended oil either SAE40 or 50 in hot climates. SAE 20/50 is
not recommended for gearbox due to low viscosity at gearbox running
temperature and shear of polymers. |
Oil loss from gearbox |
Oil level in gearbox needs constantly topping up
and or the oil level in the primary chaincase increases. |
Drain slot in ring in wrong position on B39/26
sleeve gear retaining ring. |
Remove clutch and clutch mechanism to check the
slot in the gearbox bearing retaining ring B39/26 is near to the oil
drain hole in the gearbox case. |
Cut an extra slot with a 1/8" round Swiss file as
close to the oil drain hole as possible when the retaining ring is in
the secured position. |
Oil loss from gearbox |
Oil level in gearbox needs constantly topping up
and or the oil level in the primary chaincase increases. |
Sleeve gear shim C28 not central to sleeve gear bearing B22 allowing oil to escape from the gearbox into the primary chain case. | Remove clutch to check outer shim is central. Checking of inner shim will also require removal of all gears within the gearbox. | Centralise shim and ensure shims remain central when gearbox bearing retaining ring B39/26 is tightened. |
Oil loss from gearbox |
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Oil leaking from selector rod hole or from the
lower chaincase pins F201/X. |
Remove clutch to investigate. |
Seal with a suitable sealant. |
Oil loss from gearbox |
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Oil leaking from either the kick-start shaft or
the gear shaft due to excessive wear of housing. |
Obvious, but check that the gearbox has not been
overfilled. |
Fit oil seal or O ring to the kick start housing
or replace gear change bush on Spring Framed models. |
Jumping out of first gear |
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Gear moving along bush where a single bush BK75/4
is fitted to the mainshaft first gear BK9/X. |
Remove gearbox cover and check that the flange of
the bush is tight against the gear. |
Either mark bush position, remove clean and fix
with a suitable Loctite grade if the bush is in good condition or
replace bush and rebore. |
Jumping out of first gear |
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Due to an accumulation of tolerances, or
incorrect assembly the mainshaft is allowed to move too far to the
offside or the BK78 gearshaft sliding gear (twin gear) is located too
far to the nearside, thereby reducing the engagement of the
twin gear BK78s dogs
with the mainshaft first gear BK9/X dogs. |
Remove cover and using a strait edge and depth
micrometer or vernier, measure the distance between the bearing and the
gearbox cover gasket face with a compressed gasket in place. Then
measure the distance of the splined shoulder of the mainshaft from the
face of the gearbox shell. From this calculate the depth of engagement
of the dogs ensuring that there is full engagement. Check that the
gearbox bearing retaining ring BK39/26 is tight, that the sleeve gear
oil thrower BK33 has not worn and that the selector fork which holds the
gearshaft sliding gear BK78 is not excessively worn. |
Investigate and identify cause of miss-alignment.
If there is no obvious cause, some owners have adjusted the position of
the gearwheel by lengthening the gearshaft first wheel bush BK75/5 on
the outside of the gear and reducing the length of the inner bush to
effectively move the gear dogs in closer engagement with one another. |
Jumping out of first gear |
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Worn dogs on mainshaft first gear BK8/X or BK78
mainshaft sliding gear. |
Remove gearbox cover and check that the dogs on
the first gear and gearshaft sliding gear are not worn. |
If gears are rounded greater than one third of
the depth of the dogs replacement gears may be required. |
Jumping out of first gear |
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Worn lower selector fork MAS43 BK76 due to clutch
dragging or heavy gear changing when selecting gears. |
Strip gearbox and check the wear on the selector
forks as per the specification table. |
Fit replacement selector fork, or try swapping
the top and bottom selector forks around. |
Jumping out of first gear |
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Gearbox end cover circlip B100 on Spring Frame or
retaining end cap BK3 or B3 on Rigid Framed gearboxes have come loose
allowing the mainshaft and first gear on the mainshaft move to the
offside. |
On Spring Framed models remove gearbox cover
plate B97 and check that the circlip and gear is correctly located. On
rigid framed models check that the retaining end cap is tight. |
Refit circlip or if groove is damaged repair
groove of turn up a spacing bush, which is held in place by the gearbox
cover plate B97. Ensure that if you make up a spacer that the oil can
still drain from the small hole in the top of the bearing housing into
the bearing. |
Jumping out or difficulty engaging first gear
with rearset gear change |
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Gear pedal MAS169 GC4/26 making contact with the
gear change rod SL31/21 SL30/40 or worn gear lever pivots on MAS169
GC4/26 and GC41/7 GC41/8. |
Check that the gear lever does not touch either
the rod on upward movement or foul the exhaust pipe when moved down. |
Adjust the rod and clevis joints to give
clearance in either direction.
Either rebush or replace the clevis joints if significantly worn. |
Jumping out of or difficulty engaging first gear |
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Worn first gear bush(s) BK75/ resulting in first
gear BK9/X not meshing fully with the gearshaft sliding gear (twin gear)
due to excess end float |
Remove cover and check that the first gear does
not have excessive clearance on the mainshaft (ideal c 0.005 - 0.010") |
Replace both bushes in the first gear, if excess
clearance is present. Bushes with longer shoulders are now available to
correct excessive clearance. Replace and machine as required. |
“Graunching” on changing into third gear |
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Layshaft first gear wheel loose on its spines
allowing the layshaft third gear to move further to the left. |
Remove cover and check that the layshaft first
gear is not loose on the layshaft splines |
Fit new layshaft first gear or layshaft, or try
fixing first gear on layshaft with high strength Loctite |
Jumping out of fourth gear |
Clutch constantly requires adjustment. |
The sleeve gear BK8/X is not fully engaging in
the dogs of the gearshaft sliding gear (twin gear) BK78, caused by the
gearbox bearing retaining ring BK39/26 becoming loose. |
Remove clutch and clutch actuating mechanism to
check that the sleeve gear retaining ring is tight in the housing. Also
strip the gearbox to check if there is any damage to the sleeve gear
BK8/X or the fourth gear on the layshaft BK86/X |
Tighten the retaining ring (right hand thread)
and carefully burr over the gearbox shell into one or more of the slots
in the ring. If the thread is damaged either get it repaired or source a
new gearbox shell. Some owners have fitted a circlip in place of the
threaded ring, but there are no reports on whether this has proved to be
a robust repair. Alternatively get a left hand threaded retaining ring
made and a matching thread cut in the gearbox shell. |
Jumping out of fourth gear |
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The sleeve gear BK8/X is not fully engaging in
the dogs of the gearshaft sliding gear (twin gear) BK78, caused by wear
or omission of the sleeve gear oil thrower BK33. |
Strip gearbox and check wear of the oil thrower
where it contacts the sleeve gear - original thickness is 0.031". |
Replace the oil thrower |
Jumping out of fourth gear |
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The selector fork pin BK32 is worn and does not
allow the gearshaft sliding
gear (twin gear) BK78 to move to the fully engaged position. |
Strip gearbox and check wear on the selector pins
BK32. |
Replace selector pins in the selector fork. If
new pins are not available the existing pins can be removed and rotated
through 90 degrees and refitted. |
Jumping out of fourth gear |
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Excessive axial clearance on the layshaft, check
that the correct pins K191 (3/16" X 9/16") and kick-start layshaft
thrust washer BK82 and layshaft washer "Wedding Ring" BK95 are in place. |
Strip gearbox and check. |
Fit the correct pins / layshaft thrust washer
-either BK82 which is 0.187" thick or BK82/4 which is 0.176" thick, so
that layshaft end float is between 0.005” – 0.010”. |
Jumping out of gears or not fully engaging gears |
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Striking plate assembly BK81/X MAS45 contacting
the camplate pivot BK64/X before the camplate has indexed. |
Strip the gearbox and check |
Grind a small amount from the 'hole' in the
striking plate assembly to allow full movement. |
Jumping out of neutral into gear when idling |
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The neutral notch in the camplate BK80/X is worn
and or wear on the indexing pawl BK66. |
Check condition of both the camplate and the
indexing pawl. |
Grind a little metal from the camplate to
indexing notch. Carefully reprofile the indexing pawl, being careful not
to significantly alter either shape or position. |
Jumping out of fourth gear with rearset gear
change |
Only when rearset gear change linkage is used. |
Gear pedal MAS169 GC4/26 making contact with the
exhaust pipe SL31/21 SL30/40 or worn gear lever pivots on MAS169 GC4/26
and GC41/7 GC41/8 |
Check that the gear lever does not touch either
the rod on upwards changes or foul the exhaust pipe when moved down. |
Adjust the rod and clevis joints to give
clearance in either direction. Either rebush or replace the clevis
joints if necessary. |
Gearbox locks in third gear after being rebuilt |
Only on heavyweight gearboxes |
Layshaft third gear BK89AS is fouling the web on
the lower selector fork BK26 MAS43. |
Strip gearbox and check that the lower selector
fork has had its web partly machined away. |
File, grind or mill to relieve the web of the
selector fork. |
Gearbox locks after being rebuilt |
Problem only occurs when manually testing newly
assembled gearbox without clutch being fitted. |
Sleeve gear BK8/X being pulled into gearbox if
clutch not fitted. |
Either manually pull out the sleeve gear or fit
the clutch to check if the condition still exists |
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Gearbox locks after being rebuilt |
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Layshaft BK11/X not properly located in layshaft
housing bearing B22/2. |
Strip and check layshaft bearing is correctly
fitted in housing and that the layshaft is fully home in the bearing. |
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Gearbox stiff to rotate after being rebuilt |
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Too little end float on mainshaft or layshaft |
Strip gearbox and remove mainshaft, mainshaft
gears and selector forks and rods. Reassemble and check layshaft is free
to rotate without excessive clearance. |
Investigate cause of binding. |
Gearbox stiff to rotate after being rebuilt |
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Bent selector fork rod BK90/X. |
Strip gearbox and check wear and straightness of
the selector rods. |
Replace selector rod. |
Gearbox stiff to rotate after being rebuilt |
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Gearbox gasket BK43/X not fitted or too thin a
gasket used. |
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Fit the gasket and chick if the problem still
exists. |
Difficulty in selecting first gear |
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Excessive clearance on mainshaft first gear
bush(s) BK75/X or gearbox
end cover circlip B100 on Spring Frame or retaining end cap BK3 or B3 on
Rigid Framed gearboxes have come loose |
Remove gearbox cover and investigate |
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Difficulty in finding neutral between first and
second or finding a false neutral between fourth and third |
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An alternative camplate BK80/X has been fitted
which either has no neutral indent or a neutral indent between the
incorrect gear selection indents. |
Strip gearbox and check the camplate. |
Replace camplate if necessary or if no neutral
notch, grind a neutral notch using another camplate as a template. |
Difficulty in selecting gears |
Difficulty in selecting gears or stiff gear
change. |
Selector pins BK32 protruding too far out of the
selector forks BK26. |
Strip gearbox and check that the pins are not
protruding through the forks. |
Press pins in so that they are marginally below
the level of the cam plate face and peen the fork over the pins. |
Difficulty in selecting gears |
Only a problem when the engine is running and
tends to be more f a problem when changing down rather than up. |
Clutch dragging. |
Check the adjustment of the clutch to ensure it
is not dragging. In particular check that the plain plates are not
warped or the clutch outer plate is binding on the chaincase or felt
seal F285/X. |
Adjust clutch or replace components as necessary. |
Difficulty in selecting gears |
Gears are selected in one direction of movement,
but not in the opposite direction. |
Centralising Lever BK99/X not making even contact
between the two flats, which stops the camplate BK80/X from
centralising, thereby not allowing it to rotate far enough to enable the
indexing pawl BK66 to engage in its indent. Alternatively check that the
'hole' in the striking plate
assembly MAS45 is not fouling the camplate pivot BK64/X. |
Strip the gearbox and assemble the camplate
BK80/X, indexing pawl BK66 and springs on the pivot and check that the
pawl fully engages in the camplate slot when the camplate is rotated. |
Grind a small amount off either side of the
centralising lever so that the striking pawl can centralise and move
fully in either direction. Alternatively grind a small amount from the
sides of the hole in the centre of MAS45 striking plate assembly, so
that they do not make contact with the camplate pivot BK64/X. |
Difficulty in selecting gears |
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Indexing pawl GC23/X worn or weak or broken
indexing spring GC 24/X. |
Strip gearbox and check that the indexing pawl is
in good condition with little rounding of the 'claws'. Also check that
the indexing spring is strait and not compressed compared to a new
spring. |
Replace pawl and or spring if found to be worn or
damaged. Also try an alternative pawl even if the original pawl looks
OK. Minor dimensional differences are critical to the correct operation
of this component. |
Difficulty in selecting gears |
Unable to select gear or 'clunky' gear change. It
tends to be more of a problem selecting first and second gears when
moving. |
Outer clutch plate binding on primary chaincase
felt seal F285/X or clutch not fully freeing |
Check to see if the outer chaincase flexes when
you pull in the clutch |
Replace with softer or thinner felt ring. Some
owners add a second cork gasket A179/X to increase clearance in bolt up
chaincase. |
Difficulty in selecting gears |
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Gearbox housing bush BK36/X fouling the
centralising lever BK99/X. |
Strip the gearbox and check if the centralising
lever BK99/X is fouling gearbox housing bush BK36/X. |
Check that the correct shims are in place on the
centralising lever pivot BK100/X. If this is all in order, heat the
gearbox in the area of the bush and gently tap out the bush, so that it
JUST clears the centralising lever. |
Difficulty in selecting gears |
Difficulty in selecting neutral when changing
from second gear, particularly on rigid gearboxes. |
The pawl GC23/X is moving from the second gear
indent to the first gear indent on BK98/2 without engaging the neutral
indent. |
Strip gearbox and check that BK98/2 has a small
flat in the correct position. |
Grind a small flat on BK98/2 to enable the pawl
GC82/X to easily engage the neutral ratchet, rather than missing it and
engaging the first gear slot. |
Drive side mainshaft sprocket nut constantly
coming undone |
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Check tightness of nut BK106 BK50 etc |
Fit a new Nylock nut or castellated nut and split
pin on earlier gearboxes. If trouble persists fit a two part 'Nord-Lock'
or similar washer or locking tab washer. |
Excessive gearbox sprocket and mainshaft end
float. |
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Nut is tight on gearbox sprocket, but the
sprocket and mainshaft moves significantly axially. |
Remove the offside mainshaft nut end cover and
check if either the nut(s) have come loose or that the bearing on spring
framed gearbox is still retained by the bearing circlip |
Tighten offside mainshaft nuts if loose or
tighten cover on rigid gearbox to locate bearing. Ensure circlip is
secured in its groove on spring framed Gearbox. If circlip grove is
damaged make up an alloy spacer, so that the bearing is trapped by the
bearing cover when the two bolts are tightened. |
Stiff gear change on rigid gearbox |
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No axial clearance on external lever BK65/X. |
Check that there is some play between the
external lever and the gearbox housing or bush BK36/X |
Investigate cause of binding and resolve the
issue |
Stiff gear change on rigid gearbox |
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External gearbox gear shifting mechanism has
tight joints, pivots or is fouling other parts of the bike. |
Check that all joints are free and that none of
the gear change mechanism is fouling. |
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Stiff gear change on rigid gearbox |
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One of the gearbox cover bolts adjacent to the
cam plate is too long and may be fouling the cam plate |
Loosen the offending bolt to check if the gear
change frees off. |
Remove the bolt and check its length, replace the
bolt with the correct bolt 5/8" ? long under the head. |
Stiff gear change |
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Centralising lever spring BK101 in poor condition
or is fouling the gearbox case. |
Inspect spring and check it operation. Check the
centralising spring washers / shims are correctly in place. |
Replace spring if necessary. |
Stiff gear change on rigid gearbox |
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BK81/X centralising lever is stiff, either
through corrosion in its bearing or through being over tightened. |
Loosen off the gear change lever BK65 and see if
it frees. Additionally check either the lever or securing nut are not
rubbing on the frame or any other assembly. Otherwise strip gearbox to
check. |
Clean pivot and or bush or replace the
Centralising lever if necessary. |
Stiff gear change on Spring Framed gearbox |
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Rocker shaft bush GC53 and GC54 is binding on the
gear change rockers shaft MAS46/X
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Loosen the bushes one at a time to check if it
frees the rocker shaft. |
Carefully remove material from the end of the
offending rocker shaft bush, testing as you go along. |
Gear lever does not return to the mid position on
Spring Framed gearbox |
Normally affect the return of the standard gear
lever from the returning from its lover position |
Rocker Shaft Bush GC53 and GC54 is binding on the
Gearchange Rocker Shaft MAS46/X which does not allow the gear lever to
return to the central position. |
Loosen the bushes one at a time to check if it
frees the rocker shaft. Do not assume just because the rocker shaft is
free to rotate in the end cover when stripped that it will be free when
the cover is fitted! |
Carefully remove material from the end of the
offending rocker shaft bush, testing as you go along. |
Gear lever does not return to the mid position on
Spring Framed gearbox |
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Reverse gear-lever is fouling BK97 gearbox end
cover bolts. |
Check clearance between the gear lever and the
mainshaft cover or bolts. |
Adjust position of gear lever on the shaft. |
Kick starter not returning |
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Worn, broken, deformed or jammed kick starter
return spring BK19. |
Remove kick-start housing BK4and check spring. |
Refit or replace spring as required |
Kick starter not engaging or occasionally
engaging |
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Weak or broken kick starter engagement spring
BK19/2 |
Remove kick start housing BK4 and check spring
tension |
Refit or replace spring as required |
Kick start appears to be slipping on ratchet |
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Engine shock absorber loose allowing the sprocket
to ride over the cam. |
Tighten shock absorber nut M92/3 and refit split
pin. If problem persists, remove the shock absorber spring M90/X and
check to see if the cams ride over each other. |
Tighten nut or if tight check that the cams on
the shock absorber have not work allowing the shock absorber to ride
over each other. |
Noisy gearbox |
In all or just some gears |
Oil level too low, or water has entered the
gearbox. |
Drain some or all or the oil to check quality. If
OK refill to correct level with correct grade of oil. |
Drain oil and refill with correct grade of oil |
Noisy gearbox |
"Rumbling" sound |
Worn or corroded bearings, particularly the
sleeve gear bearing. |
Strip gearbox, clean bearings, lightly oil and
check bearing for roughness. |
Replace bearings unless in perfect condition |
"Grinding or racheting" noise from the gearbox |
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Kick start not returning to fully withdrawn
position due to weak spring, loose cotter pin or cotter pin not flush
with kick-start crank. Alternately the riders foot is pressing on the
kick-start and moving it down the ramp. |
Check if the kick-start is fully disengaged.
Check that the cotter pin LE242 B20 is not fouling the kick-start
housing BK4, the ramp is worn or the kick-start return spring BK19 is
tired. Manually check by pulling the kick-start crank out while the
engine is running to see if the noise subsides. |
Replace or repair kick start housing, grind or
file cotter pin flat so that it does not foul the ramp of the kick start
housing. Replace the kick-start return spring. |
"Grinding
or racheting" noise from the gearbox |
Noise may be accompanied by what may seem like
clutch slip. |
Engine shock absorber loose allowing the sprocket
to ride over the cam |
Tighten shock absorber nut M92/3 and refit split
pin. If problem persists, remove the shock absorber spring M90/X and
check to see if the cams ride over each other when fitted without
spring. |
Tighten nut or if tight check that the cams on
the shock absorber have not work allowing the shock absorber to ride
over each other. |
Noise from gearbox area |
Clutch engaged |
Possible worn gearbox sleeve gear bearing B22
worn. |
Strip gearbox and check condition of sleeve gear
bearing B22. |
Replace bearing of found to be worn or corroded. |
Noise from gearbox area |
Clutch disengaged |
Possible severely worn clutch thrust bearing
MAS57 and associated bearing rings or clutch ballrace assembly C26AS. |
Strip gearbox and check condition of clutch
thrust bearing or clutch ballrace assembly. |
Replace bearing of found to be worn or corroded. |
Aluminium flakes in oil |
Mainly Spring Framed Gearboxes |
Early first gear on mainshaft has moved to
offside due to the gear BK9 (MAS122)
moving on its single piece bush BK75/4. Alternatively a first
gear pinion on the mainshaft BK9 from a rigid heavyweight gearbox has
been fitted to a spring frame gearbox and the gear is wearing the
Gearbox end cover bearing housing. |
Strip and inspect both the gearbox end cover for
wear and the mainshaft first gear to check it has not moved |
Replace the single gear wheel bush with twin
bushes BK75/5. Also replace the first gear wheel if a rigid gear. Check,
repair or replace the gearbox end cover if damaged. |
Golden flakes in the gearbox oil |
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One or more of the gear bushes or selector forks
are being abraded due to a problem in the gearbox |
Strip gearbox to check |
Investigate causes and replace components if
necessary. |
Golden colouring of the gearbox oil |
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Wrong oil used causing corrosion of the phosphor
bronze bushes |
Modern Hypoid oils can attack the bronze bushes.
Strip gearbox to check for any damage. |
Check grade of oil and if incorrect replace with
makers recommended oil either SAE40 or 50 in hot climates. Replace any
damaged bushes. |